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Abused Women in Maryland Aren’t Lying !! Ms. Magazine

In domestic law on May 24, 2010 at 5:59 pm

 http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/05/19/abused-women-in-maryland-arent-lying/

This spring, the Maryland legislature killed a bill that would have brought Maryland’s restraining order policies into line with every other state in the union. Remarkably, in Maryland, a stalking victim seeking help is required to prove her case with “clear and convincing” evidence, a higher standard than “preponderance of the evidence,” which is the universal standard for civil dispute.

There can be only one reason for this absurd requirement: that the Maryland legislators who voted for the bill, listed here, believe that women who testify that they’ve been abused are less credible than men who deny being abusers. That’s not a level playing field, and it’s an absolutely unacceptable attitude for a legislator to hold.

But it’s no mystery where they’re getting this idea. Father’s and men’s rights activists have long promoted the myth that false allegations of domestic violence are rampant, especially in custody cases, and that women frequently file for protective orders in order to gain an upper hand in court. The group Fathers and Families in particular has promoted fathers’ rights propaganda around the country, and has directly targeted legislators. When Maryland Rep. Luis Simmons stated in an interview that he believed it only fair to expunge records of those who had been given a Temporary Restraining Order that didn’t lead to a final order (because a judge dismissed or denied it), Fathers and Families encouraged its supporters to contact Simmons to applaud his statement.

In fact, bona fide false allegations of domestic violence are rare. Dr. Michael Flood wrote in his paper “Fact Sheet #2: The Myth Of Women False Accusation Of Domestic Violence And Misuse Of Protective Orders” that most abused women are reluctant to take out restraining orders:

The risk of domestic violence increases at the time of separation … Women living with domestic violence often do not take out protection orders and do so only as a last resort … Protection orders provide an effective means of reducing women’s vulnerability to violence.

It is only when women experience more severe forms of violence, such as choking, beating, or being shot at, that they are more likely to take out a protective order.

As experts Rita Smith and Pamela Coukos of the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence wrote in an article for the peer-reviewed Judges Journal:

Although both common sense and the prevailing legal standard dictate careful consideration of evidence in domestic or family violence when determining custody, allegations of domestic violence and/or child sexual abuse made during a divorce or custody proceeding are not always taken seriously. These allegations often are wrongly perceived as false because they are asserted in a contentious environment and because of the widespread myth that parents fabricate domestic violence and child abuse allegations in order to gain an advantage in court. When combined with the misuse of psychological syndrome evidence, the perception that a parent has fabricated the allegations often results in unfair retribution against the reporting protective parent.

Furthermore, obtaining a restraining order does not guarantee that an abused woman will be able to gain custody of her children or see her abuse taken seriously. According to Attorney Elizabeth Kates, citing Zorza, Dore, and Rosen:</SPA< span>

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Voters should judge Lemkau on his failure to protect children

In domestic law on May 24, 2010 at 1:19 pm

http://www.sbsun.com/pointofview/ci_15147908

by Randy Burton

"My supposition, ma’am, is that you’re lying." Judge Robert Lemkau’s presumptuous statement made to Katie Tagle on Jan. 21 would have far-reaching and tragic effects. In denying this mother’s basic request for a protective order against her former boyfriend and father of her infant child, Judge Lemkau threatened there would be "adverse consequences" for Katie if she had lied to him.

The grim reality is that Katie was telling the truth, and it would be Katie Tagle’s 9-month-old son, Wyatt Garcia, who suffered the consequences of Lemkau’s bad judgment when the father, Stephen Garcia, shot the baby to death 10 days later.

Though judges do, indeed, pass judgment on others, they are assumed and ethically obligated to be impartial. However, in spite of the evidence Tagle presented of Stephen Garcia’s e-mails threatening to kill their son and himself, Judge Lemkau denied her plea for protection.

Rather than take the law into her own hands, Tagle trusted the legal system to protect her and her infant son from her abusive, homicidal, ex-boyfriend, the boy’s father. Instead, Judge Lemkau treated her claims and evidence with skepticism and disbelief. Rather than give Tagle and her baby the benefit of the doubt in the interest of safety, Judge Lemkau’s supposition was that she was a liar. By definition, "supposition" is "an opinion or judgment based on little or no evidence."

This morality play is not just about the re-election of a sitting judge. It is first and foremost about an elected official’s accountability to the voters for his actions and the sorry state of children’s rights in our country. This is not just about a grotesque lapse in judgment. It is about a judge making a deliberate decision, in the face of evidence to the contrary, to deny a protective mother’s request to protect her baby son because she dared to assert that her former boyfriend was abusive and dangerous. And, in the process, Judge Lemkau sentenced a baby to death without due process of law.

Judge Lemkau and many of his male counterparts in family courts across our country assume that when a woman alleges child abuse in court they are doing so solely for strategic advantage. Frequently indifferent to the allegations of abuse, particularly allegations of sexual abuse, judges assume that claims of child abuse in custody cases are false, despite numerous national studies indicating that the number of false allegations of sexual abuse in custody cases is very small, and punish those who dare to make such allegations.

As a result, the protection of the child and any due process to which he is entitled are given little or no consideration, and, the abuser is frequently given unrestricted visitation with the child, if not total custody. Child abuse, whether sexual or physical, and child protection becomes only incidentally a custody question.

With a baby’s life on the line, Judge Lemkau reportedly spent a total of about five minutes on the entire hearing. Lemkau stated, "All I had were the e-mails," but that is untrue. Police reports and an emergency protective order (EPO) issued eight days earlier by Judge David Mazurek were also admitted into evidence. Clearly, Judge Lemkau chose to ignore Judge Mazurek’s prior decision recognizing the danger posed to Baby Wyatt and his mother.

It is every judge’s job to carefully consider all the evidence before making a decision. Judge Lemkau failed to do so and wrongly pre-judged the case.

The court transcript shows Lemkau issued his decision almost immediately after the hearing began, without giving Baby Wyatt’s mother, Katie Tagle, an opportunity to fully present her evidence. In fact, Lemkau interrupted Tagle virtually every time she attempted to speak and present her side of the case.

Judge Lemkau stated in a recent media interview that what’s important is not what was said in court that day, but what he did. What Judge Lemkau did and what voters should judge him on was his decision to ignore the credible evidence before him, his failure to investigate threats against a child’s life, his apparent bias against allegations of abuse, and his failure to ensure a baby’s safety.

Randy Burton is a former assistant district attorney for the Harris County District Attorney’s Office in Houston, where he served as the chief prosecutor of family offenses. Burton is also the founder of Justice for Children, a national child advocacy organization.

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Man allegedly kills grandson, stabs daughter

In domestic law on May 22, 2010 at 8:40 pm

 

See how many times were charges dropped, and this woman was denied a restraining order against her father.

http://www.news-press.com/article/20100522/CRIME/100521063/Domestic-fatality-hits-Lehigh-Acres

 

Pat Gillespie, pgillespie@news-press.com and Gabriella Souza, gsouza@news-press.com • May 22, 2010

9:26 a.m. update — First court appearance for Manuel DeJesus Rosales

A day after his 3-month old grandson died — allegedly at his hand — Manuel DeJesus Rosales is now being held at the Lee County Jail without bond.

Rosales, 43, was charged by Lee County Sheriff’s deputies Friday with one count each of first-degree murder and attempted first-degree murder. They arrested him Thursday and charged him with two counts of attempted first-degree murder after the infant and his 20-year-old daughter were found with slashed throats in the driveway of their duplex on Gilbert Avenue South in Lehigh Acres.

Appearing via closed circuit television from the Lee County Jail’s Core facility, Rosales appeared to be wearing a padded anti-suicide suit and was surrounded by three guards. He said "good morning" to Lee County Judge Leigh Frizzell Hayes when he picked up the telephone in the jail to communicate to the judge, who was in the Lee County Justice Center. That was all he said.

Hayes revoked his previous bond of $2 million, which was set Friday morning.

"I am concerned that he is a flight risk and a danger to the community," she said. "And I will hold him no bond."

As of late Friday, Rosales’ daughter, Karminda Rosales Salazar, was still in critical condition.

His next court appearance is scheduled for June 21.

From this morning on news-press.com

Karminda Rosales Salazar tried for 19 months to get away from her father.

Her fear of Manuel DeJesus Rosales was realized Thursday night — the same day Rosales Salazar’s protective order against him expired — when he allegedly sliced her throat three times.

Then, deputies allege, he stood over Rosales Salazar as she lay bleeding on the concrete driveway and slashed her 3-month-old son’s throat.

“Here’s your bastard,” he told her.

The baby died hours later.

Rosales, 43, was in jail Friday on $2 million bond and has his first court appearance this morning. He’s accused of first-degree and attempted murder, although a grand jury indictment technically is required for the state attorney’s office to charge him with first-degree murder.

Rosales Salazar, 20, remained in critical condition, although it could not be confirmed Friday night in which hospital she is admitted.

Her child’s death marks the second homicide to result from domestic violence in Lehigh Acres in the past two weeks.

On May 12, Zacarias Jaime Izquierdo, 68, allegedly shot to death his wife, Maria DeLourdes Bauza, 48, at their home on 21st Street Southwest.

On Friday, the driveway at the duplex the father and daughter shared on Gilbert Avenue South in Lehigh Acres was stained with blood and littered with soiled medical supplies. Blood-soaked stretcher cloths floated in the wind next to furniture left outside from the family’s yard sale last weekend.

Investigators are trying to determine why a father would apparently attempt to kill those close to him. They wonder what could motivate a man to commit such a horrific crime and then meet deputies when they arrived, standing against a white van holding another child.

The Department of Children and Families also is investigating.

The neighborhood reeled from Thursday night’s attacks. Residents said they could still hear the whir of the medical helicopter and see flashing police lights.

“I couldn’t sleep all night,” said neighbor Rafael Lebon, who saw Rosales Salazar and the baby minutes after they’d been stabbed.

“When I saw that little baby lying on the ground I knew what happened. It’s terrible,” he added

Deadly argument

The argument started outside the peach-shaded duplex as night settled in the neighborhood.

First there was yelling, according to sheriff’s reports, then the sound of Rosales Salazar being slapped. Rosales Salazar called to her roommate, Mauricio Maldonado, to help her fend off her father.

Maldonado and Rosales Salazar managed to lock themselves in the house with her 3-month-old son and another child, but Rosales smashed through the sliding glass door, according to sheriff’s reports. He grabbed a knife and stabbed his daughter.

Rosales Salazar struggled out the front door with Rosales following. Her blood dripped on the floor as she ran.

Once outside Rosales slashed Rosales Salazar’s throat, sheriff’s reports say. Then he went back inside and found her baby — whose name is not known — brought him outside and cut his throat.

When deputies arrived at 9:30 p.m., they found Rosales Salazar barely breathing. Her right index finger was severed at the middle knuckle.

Her baby son, lying next to her, wasn’t breathing.

Rosales’ shirt and arms were covered in blood. His right index finger spurted blood from a knife wound.

Deputies threw him to the ground and handcuffed him.

This wasn’t the first time Rosales allegedly attacked his daughter.

Deputies arrived at another Lehigh home where the family lived in October 2008 to find Rosales Salazar’s face swollen and beaten. They placed Rosales in handcuffs and charged him with battery, although the state attorney’s office would later drop the charge. It could not be determined Friday why the charge was dismissed.

Rosales, a Honduras native, had tried to stab his daughter before as well, according to court records.

Rosales Salazar’s May 2009 request for a domestic violence injunction tells how her father broke the phone because she was talking too much, then held a knife to her throat after she called police.

“Do you want to die?” he asked.

Rosales Salazar spent time at the Abuse Counseling and Treatment, or ACT, shelter for abused women in June 2009.

At that time, she, too, would be arrested for attempting to stab a fellow resident, although the state attorney’s office dropped that charge as well for reasons that couldn’t be determined Friday.

She continued to live with her father and various family members and roommates at homes throughout Lehigh Acres. If and where Rosales Salazar and Rosales were employed was unclear Friday.

“So many times, people will go back and continue to live with their abuse partners,” said Colleen Henderson, community coordinator for ACT. “As a child, you want to believe that this person is going to love and protect you.”

Neighbor Zarifer King remembers Rosales Salazar as friendly and sweet, waving hello as she walked a young boy to the bus stop each morning.

King remembers Rosales differently.

“He would sit on the porch and drink,” she said. Bud Light bottles sat scattered Friday in a nearby ditch, where neighbors say he used to toss them.

Once, in 2009, Rosales Salazar tried to move away from her father, but he followed her to her new home and choked her, according to court records. Her request for a protective order against him at that time was denied.

Henderson said situations of extreme violence can be triggered when an aggressor feels he loses power and control.

“You really have no way of knowing what that’s going to lead to,” she said.

Henderson wonders what would have happened if Rosales Salazar had an escape plan, a way to protect herself if her father tried to abuse her again.

“If someone doesn’t learn another way to react, then they are going to go back to their old behavior,” Henderson said. “People don’t realize that.”

Woman, baby stabbed in Lehigh (00:46)

Lee County sheriff’s investigators say a woman and her baby were flown to Lee Memorial Hospital, where they were in critical condition Thursday night with stab wounds after an apparent domestic dispute in Lehigh Acres.

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Woman, baby stabbed in Lehigh Lee County sheriff’s investigators say a woman and her baby were flown to Lee Memorial Hospital, where they were in critical condition Thursday night with stab wounds after an apparent domestic dispute in Lehigh Acres. FMNPfeaturedNews 00:46

 

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The Ever Expanding Parental Alienation Theory: Amy J. Baker’s Research Revisited

In : PAAO, Parent Alienation, Parental Alienation and Hostile Aggressive Parenting Awareness Day, Parental Alienation Awareness Day, Parental Alienation Awareness Organization, Abusers Denier, Angry fathers, Battered Mothers Custody Conference, Breaking The Silence; Children's Stories, child abuse, Child Custody, Child found, Childrens Rights, corrupt bastards, Corrupt Cops, Behind the Blue Line, Custody Hell, domestic law, Dr Richard Warshak, Dr. Richard Gardner, Father of Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS) Committed Suicide May 25, 2003, family court corruption, Fathers & Families, Glenn Sacks, ACFC, RADAR, ANCPR, fathers murdering, Fathers Rights, Getting screwed by the Family Courts, Getting screwed by the politicians, Maternal Deprivation, Domestic Violence By Proxy, Message to My Child . ., Motherhood, Mothers Rights, Murder-Suicide, Parental Alienation (PAS), Parental Alienation (PAS), Parental Alienation (PAS), Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS), Parental Alienation Theory: Amy J. Baker, Court Whore, PAS is a Scam, San Bernardino, Judge Lemkau, Elect James Hosking, Comm, Speak Out, Susan Murphy Milano, Times Up, Defending Our Lives, on May 22, 2010 at 1:38 am

By the awesoeme Randi James

As previously discussed by F. Bessette, Amy Baker’s participants were mainly recruited via internet advertisements:

Nothing wrong with this method. However, the wording could lead to a biased selection:

1. She introduces herself as a research psychologist, versus a researcher.

2. The word manipulated is loaded. How does she define it or how do her participants define it?

3. The word alienated is loaded. How does she define it or how do her participants define it?

And so what kind of people responded to her ads? Who was represented? Baker gives us some information in her research entitled, Patterns of Parental Alienation Syndrome: A

Qualitative Study of Adults Who were Alienated from a Parent as a Child.

40 participants were utilized (a large sample size for a qualitative study)

The age range was from 19 to 67 years old (keep in mind that they are reflecting on their childhood.

37.24 was the average age for women and

42.73 for men

in rounding ages mode=40

just some maybe useless information!!)

15 men and 25 women (interesting gender distribution)

29 of the participants reported that their parents divorced during their childhood. (This ranged from from birth to age 13, with an average of 5.76 years and a mode of 2. What about the other 11 participants? )

34 cases in which the mother was the alienator

6 cases= father

**There is no information about the parents’/children’s economic status [pre-divorce, post-divorce] which may give us information on class issues. There is no racial or ethnic information which may give us some background on cultural issues.**

Baker’s goal #1:

to determine whether there were people who identified themselves as having been alienated from one parent due to the other parent’s actions and attitudes.

She notes:

Although these data do not provide any benchmark for determining the actual prevalence of the phenomenon in the general population, they do provide evidence that there are people who believe that they have had this experience.

There are also people who believe they were raped, impregnated, and abducted by aliens. There are people who believe Tupac Shakur and/or Elvis Presley are still alive. There were people who thought the world would end in 2000. All of their evidence says/said so. What mattered in this study was not there was something called parental alienation, but people’s beliefs about their recollections. This study did not involve proving anything. It was exploratory in nature.

Baker’s goal #2:

to determine whether there were different types of parental alienation experiences or whether they all followed the same general outline.

So she might be trying to expand on the previous literature. Innovative.

This is what Baker found:

PATTERN 1: NARCISSISTIC MOTHER IN DIVORCED FAMILY

all portrayed their mother as self-centered, demanding a high degree of attention and admiration, and not able to see them as separate individuals…a woman who was charming, dynamic, and preoccupied with having her own needs met rather than meeting the needs of her children.

Picture portrayed does not necessarily equal reality. A mother (or any parent) more concerned with her own needs against her children’s own best interest would essentially be neglecting her children. In what ways did the participants in Baker’s research describe the children being neglected–emotionally, mentally, physically, spiritually? Each is very different.

it can be surmised that these narcissistic mothers cultivated an emotionally enmeshed relationship with the participants when they were young children that appeared to serve their own need for love and admiration rather than to promote the emotional health and growth of the participants.

Enmeshed is an overused word–heavily saturated in psychological literature–that tries to malign the relationship between mothers and their children. The opposite of enmeshment is detachment, which is also pathological according to psych theory (yes, these are theories, not laws). It is easy for strangers and those without a vested interest in the relationship to pathologize other people’s family dynamics. Perhaps it would serve psych researchers better if they were to performethnographic studies–become a part of the family and observe–in order to determine how what has been classified as maladjustment may serve to benefit the family in various situations.

Baker goes on to say:

Maternal narcissism appeared to fuel the alienation in at least three ways. First, despite the powerful personality presented to the world, narcissists tend to feel empty inside and easily become enraged at the first sign of humiliation or abandonment (Masterson, 1981). Therefore, it is quite likely that the end of the marriage triggered in these women feelings of shame and rage that became directed towards the husband.

Pure speculation. (Then again, who ever said what was presented in research was fact?) If the marriage’s end was a result of the husband’s actions, is that shame and rage unwarranted? Could we also not apply the same humiliation or abandonmentand/or shame and rage to the father because he now realizes the extent of his actions? Could the father be the narcissist?

This is certainly consistent with the fact that the participants recalled a steady stream of badmouthing about the absent father following the divorce. These men were referred to as cheaters, gamblers, rapists, alcoholics, and abusers in front of the participants.

This is almost laughable (not at the children’s pain though). Might we want to consider that these fathers were in fact the names that were used, or that the behaviors they exhibited matched these names? No. This research wasn’t supposed to verify or dispute this. The focus is on the mother’s actions, rendering the father’s potential behaviors as invisible. And who gets to decide what a mother should or should not tell her child or what is or is not age appropriate? Psychologists?

Thus, the alienation may have been partly motivated by revenge, as if the mothers were saying, “If you don’t want me you can’t have the children.”

Speculation. What if the mother was saying, "Your display of character has caused such a disturbance and is evidence of your utter disregard for the children."

A second underlying motivation of the alienation fueled by the mothers’ narcissism appears to be anger towards the children that they wanted to have a relationship with the father even though he had rejected the mother. This is consistent with the fact that narcissists generally have a hard time understanding that others (including if not especially their children) have separate feelings and experiences of the world (Kernberg, 1976). For the narcissist, if she is angry with someone, the children should be as well.

Was the mother angry because the father rejected her or because the father abusedher [or the children]? Big difference. How would we know, decades later? If a mother is not to speak of the father being a drunk or cheater, is she supposed to speak of him being physically or sexually abusive? And if so, when should that information be divulged? On the other hand, if the father is the narcissist, wouldn’t he have a hard time understanding that others (including his children and maybe his ex-wife) have separate feelings and experiences of the world? How might he display that narcissism? (hint: by claiming parental alienation)

Third, the narcissistic mothers might have felt especially alone and fragile following the divorce and might have relied more on their children for comfort, companionship, and reassurance than before. Seen in this light, the time the children spent with the father under these circumstances would have been experienced as a profound loss. Many narcissists do not know how to be alone, as they need an audience to make them feel real and to reassure them of their grandiosity (Golumb,1992).

Speculation with misogynistic undertones. This particularly pathologizes mothers who do not re-couple after divorce and choose to focus on [rebuilding] the relationship between her and her children (which is vital if they were previously subjected to abuse). And then, as I previously stated, would the same thing apply to the father if he is indeed the narcissist (doesn’t know how to be alone and thus re-partners quickly, garners support from his parents, then decides to take interest in kids now that he has an audience)?

Moving on,

PATTERN 2: NARCISSISTIC MOTHER IN NON DIVORCED FAMILY

There were 8 cases in which "parental alienation" was displayed in an intact family–no divorce, no custody battle–the parents and children lived in one household. I have asked this question repeatedly–Does parental alienation occur in intact families?– and I have stated that these so-called alienating behaviors occur in "regular" households (see Parental Alienation in "High Conflict" Divorce: Questions We Must Ask). According to Richard Gardner, founder of parental alienation theory, this isn’t parental alienation. According to Baker, it was like this:

The primary technique entailed confiding in the child about the inadequacies and failings of the father.

Confiding implies that it was some sort of secret between the mother and child. Was this the case?

Much of what was shared with the participants about the father was designed to make them feel anger or resentment toward him and protective of the mother, furthering the alienation.

Is this a fact or opinion and how can we know? How do we know that the child did not carry these feelings on his/her own and look to the mother for mutual support?

It is also possible that the mother was not able to maintain an adult relationship in which emotional honesty and compromise would be necessary. Perhaps these mothers turned to their children because having the unquestioning adoration of a child was more satisfying and less demanding than a mature relationship with another adult.

Horrible speculation. Furthermore, how does one carry out a mature relationship with an alcoholic or cheater? The emotionally dishonest person would be the one with the negative behaviors that are ruining the family, not the person who cannot communicate with him.

PATTERN 3: COLD, REJECTING OR ABUSIVE ALIENATING PARENT

According to Richard Gardner, if there is bona fide abuse, there is no parental alienation (although with Gardner’s encouragement of sexual relations between fathers and their children, his categorizations are questionable). According to Baker, it was like this:

Rather than a “fabulously close” or “excellent” relationship, as the participants in pattern 1 and 2 described having with their mothers, the participants in pattern families were physically, verbally, and/or sexually abused by the alienating parent. Sixteen cases fit this pattern, three in intact families and 13 in divorced families.

That is 45% of the divorced family participants and 27% of the intact family participants fitting into this category. And these are people who elected to reveal this information.

In half the families the alienating parent was alcoholic in addition to being physically, emotionally, sexually, and/or verbally abusive and in five cases the father was the alienating parent.

That is out of 40 families, 20 of them had alcohol abuse issues on top of other abuses. And out of the total of 6 cases in which the father was considered the alienator, 5 were physically, emotionally, sexually, and/or verbally abusive (83%) (I’m unsure whether I am interpreting Baker’s statement correctly as it is rather unclear).

The alienation occurred not through the alienating parent winning the child over through charm and persuasion, but through a campaign of fear, pain, and denigration of the targeted parent.

This is what has been described as Domestic Violence by Proxy or Stockholm syndrome. Interesting, Baker didn’t offer these terms as possibilities however she chooses to repeatedly align mothers with cults throughout this research, and then, makes this statement:

Thus, parental alienation syndrome can take different forms.

because her (and others PAS theorists) ultimate goal is the expand the definition of what constitutes parental alienation syndrome/disorder. And she doesn’t try to hide her m.o.:

Narcissistic mothers as alienators may present different clinical opportunities than alcoholic physically abusive fathers. The first scenario is the one commonly envisioned and described when parental alienation syndrome is discussed (Gardner, 1992). However the field needs to recognize that there is more than one type of parental alienation syndrome

…it appears that it may be time to broaden our understanding of parental alienation syndrome..

She also notes:

…alcoholism, maltreatment, and personality disorders co-occurred

in most of the cases included in this study.

And yet it appears that the focus is still parental alienation; therefore, it is a mask, a distraction from dealing with the real problems inherent in the select families in which PAS is said to exist.

And here Baker gets down to the nitty gritty of this research where she fills in the gaps with the true motivations for PAS theorists:

Second, determination of personality disorders should be taken into account when devising methods for overseeing visitation schedules since such individuals are not likely to comply with court orders. People with narcissistic personality disorders tend to be arrogant and, therefore, are likely to devalue authority figures and emphasize their own ability to make judgments and decisions (e.g., Golumb, 1992; Hotchkiss, 2002). Without real teeth in a visitation or shared parenting order, it is not likely that such a person will comply. The legal system has developed measures for tracking and enforcing payment of child support; it is now time for methods of ensuring compliance with visitation to be developed as well.

Personality disorders, Visitation enforcement, and Shared parenting all thrown together on the backdrop of child support. No surprises here. Amy Baker appears to be advocating for punishment in suspected (or assumed) cases of parental alienation.

A second notable finding from this study is that parental alienation can occur in intact families. The majority of the attention to parental alienation syndrome has emerged from the legal system in response to problems dealing with high conflict divorces, custody disputes, and false and real allegations of parental alienation (Darnall, 1998; Warshak, 2001). To date,there has been minimal if any attention to the fact that parental alienation can occur outside of the legal system.

Third, alienation occurred in some of these families that were not involved in post-divorce litigation. Again, the typical parental alienation scenario discussed in the field is that of a family involved in intense and chronic legal conflicts around custody and visitation (Gardner, 1998). This was not always the case.

These findings are not notable. And it leaves a major question unanswered: If PAS occurs in intact and non-litigating households then what would be the likelihood that this occurs in a significant amount of otherhouseholds? The greater the likelihood, the less pathological it would be. Maybe it is a natural phenomenon.

…one of the participants who did not fall into the three patterns reported that the alienating parent was the non-custodial father.

But Baker would prefers to explain it like this:

Despite the fact that the targeted parent lived in the same household, the participants rejected them, avoided them, denigrated them (in their hearts and mind) and essentially lost out on the experience of having a healthy rewarding relationship with that other parent.

See Parental Alienation and Loving Relationships: Questions We Must Ask

And Baker would like to get everyone involved:

Likewise, teachers, social workers and other mental health professionals who come into contact with parents and children should become versed in the patterns of parental alienation syndrome and the strategies parents use so that they can identify them when they are present.

Will they be mandated to report it just like other child abuse suspicion? Will Social Services or Child Protective Services get involved? Will this lead all other families into court and into protracted litigation? Will every family get a third person embedded into their family life..aka Parent Coordinator or other Court Whores? And at whose expense–the parents or the government?

Fourth, the parents who were the target of the alienation appeared to play a role in their own alienation. In some cases these parents were passive and uninvolved (even when living in the same household) and did not work particularly diligently to establish and or maintain a positive and meaningful relationship with their own children. Many did not write letters or make phone calls to their children during periods of non-visitation, they did not attend school events and sporting competitions, they did not follow through on planned visitations, and in some respects appeared to be casual about their relationships with their children.

So, is this considered parental alienation, too? Who is the alienator?

Baker adds:

…it must be noted that these reports were made by the adult children, and because they were children at the time of the alienation, they may not know everything that the targeted parents did or tried to do for them…

without mentioning that this same disclaimer (delimitation?) can be applied to the knowledge the children/adults may NOT have about why the mother behaved as she did.

The final finding that emerged from a review of these cases is that the alienation was not always completely internalized.

And so, by according to Richard Gardner, this would NOT be parental alienation either.

This marks the end of Amy J. Baker’s research. In this study, she never defined what parental alienation meant. She interviewed the participants herself and didn’t specify whether she personally analyzed the data for content/themes, or not. These things matter.

Baker tries parallel the concept with cultism, and explains that PAS isn’t in the DSM, similar to other syndromes that took time to get it in. A similarly appropriate parallel would be to the former catchall diagnosis of female hysteria…which then went to be called somatization disorder and then conversion disorder. The field of psychology operates in this wish-washy manner because it is based on "theory" (opinion).

Another important thing to keep in mind is the demographic data provided at the beginning of Baker’s study. Go back and re-read it above………..

In the study, Baker states:

Section two focused on memories of the marriage, the participant’s relationship to each parent until the time of the separation/divorce,how the participant was told about the separation, who moved out of the house and a description of the custody/visitation schedule through age 18.

I have provided you with enough information and emphases throughout this post to let you put this together on your own.

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In performing a study in this manner, Amy Baker tried to expand the definition of parental alienation syndrome by using people’s beliefs so that the the people could define parental alienation as it meant to them:

the interview aimed to understand in a focused way the subject’s every day life world as it related to parental alienation and the meaning of the alienation for them

This is a magnificent selling point to society at large. PAS theorists have struggled with trying to separate from Richard Gardner not only because his definition was limited (to "high conflict" divorce with mothers as the main alienators), but because of his pro adult-child sexual beliefs. ie:

Special care should be taken not alienate the child from the molesting parent. The removal of a pedophilic parent from the home "should only be seriously considered after all attempts at treatment of the pedophilia and rapprochement with the family have proven futile."

Gardner, R.A. (1992). True and False Accusations of Child Sex Abuse . Cresskill, NJ: Creative Therapeutics.(p. 537)

The child should be told that there is no such thing as a perfect parent. "The sexual exploitation has to be put on the negative list, but positives as well must be appreciated"

Gardner, R.A. (1992). True and False Accusations of Child Sex Abuse . Cresskill, NJ: Creative Therapeutics.(p. 572)

Older children may be helped to appreciate that sexual encounters between an adult and a child are not universally considered to be reprehensible acts. The child might be told about other societies in which such behavior was and is considered normal. The child might be helped to appreciate the wisdom of Shakespeare’s Hamlet, who said, "Nothing’s either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

Gardner, R.A. (1992). True and False Accusations of Child Sex Abuse . Cresskill, NJ: Creative Therapeutics.(p. 59)

However, the broader the scope of parental alienation, the more watered down it’s definition becomes. If any child (and parent) can suffer from parental alienation in any circumstance, what makes it abnormal? How is it a mental illness?

DSM stands for “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders” and is published by the American Psychiatric Association, the professional organization representing United States psychiatrists. The DSM contains a listing of psychiatric disorders and their corresponding diagnostic codes. Each disorder included in the manual is accompanied by a set of diagnostic criteria and text containing information about the disorder, such as associated features, prevalence, familial patterns, age-, culture- and gender-specific features, and differential diagnosis. No information about treatment is included.

Please stay tuned for part 2.

See Also: Amy Baker and Parental Alienation Syndrome: Is This What Scientific Research Looks Like?

Psychology and Parental Alienation: Closer to Science?

WEST HILLS Couple Dead In Apparent Murder-Suicide

In domestic law on May 21, 2010 at 3:11 pm

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Officials believe an elderly couple found dead in their West Hills homes Thursday were the victims of a murder-suicide.
The couple, a man and a woman, were both 77-years-old.
The bodies were discovered about 9 a.m. at a home in the 7200 block of Cirrus Way, said Officer Karen Rayner of the Los Angeles Police Department.
"A 911 call had been generated from a residence there, but the 911 operator was unable to determine the exact nature of the emergency," Rayner said.
Officers entered the home through the back door. They found the couple each suffering from gunshot wounds to the head, Rayner said.
The victims, whose names were withheld until next of kin could be notified, were pronounced dead at the scene.
Police asked anyone with information regarding the deaths to contact Topanga Area Detective Brian Pogue at (818) 756-3362.

Holding a Bible and a Gun Murder-Suicide In San Jose Double Shooting

In domestic law on May 21, 2010 at 2:57 pm

  • 2 Found Shot Dead In San Jose Townhouse

    • San Jose police were investigating what they believed to be a murder-suicide at an East San Jose townhouse Wednesday afternoon and have released the name of the apparent victim.

      The bodies of a man and woman were discovered inside a townhouse in the 100 block of Rose Lane, near Capitol Expressway, about 3:30 p.m. after a nearly four-hour police response sparked by a report of a disturbance.

      Both had been shot, police said.

      Police spokesman Dirk Parsons identified the woman Wednesday as 30-year-old Miriam Olivo. The name of the man, who is believed to be the shooter, has not been released.

      Officers responded to the neighborhood shortly before noon after the suspect showed up at a unit of the two-story townhouse holding a Bible and a gun, Parsons said.

      One of three witnesses — two females and one male, who were inside the unit at the time — said the suspect and Olivo had been dating for a few months but that last weekend Olivo had told him she wanted a break from the relationship, Parsons said.

      The suspect told Olivo he wanted to talk to her. The witnesses left the townhouse and called 911.

      Police arrived and began evacuating nearby homes. As officers walked along the rear of the townhouse looking for the unit, they heard the suspect yell out his location.

      The officers went to the front of the building and tried to communicate with Olivo and the suspect from the driveway, Parsons said.

      One officer looked up to the second-floor window and saw the suspect holding a gun to his head and repeatedly telling the officer that he was going to kill himself, Parsons said.

      The officer took cover but continued to negotiate with the man. The suspect, however, disappeared and Olivo then appeared in the window, Parsons said. She told the officer that she was okay, but when the officer tried engaging her in conversation, she moved away from the window, Parsons said.

      A short time later, two gunshots were fired. Officers continued trying to communicate with the people inside. When they entered the home at about 3:30 p.m., they found Olivo and the shooter dead.

      Autopsies for both Olivo and the suspect were being conducted Thursday.

      Allen Myron, Deputy Who Killed In-Laws, Attempted Suicide

      In domestic law on May 21, 2010 at 2:54 pm

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      By Caleb Hannan, Friday, May. 21 2010 @ 7:09AM

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      Myron had reportedly talked about killing himself for months.

      ​The running line coming from last week’s tragedy, wherein Pierce County Deputy Allen Myron killed his in-laws before turning the gun on himself, was a familiar one: "No one could have seen this coming."

      But days after the shootings, a report indicates that, even if a double murder-suicide is something no one can anticipate, there were certainly signs that all was not right in Myron’s life.

      Already known was the back injury that kept Myron out of work for months, the money troubles that had him borrowing cash from Monty Multanen, the father in-law he would eventually kill, and the murder of five Pierce County deputies that left him depressed. Previously unknown, however, was the fact that Myron had tried to kill himself last December and that his wife, Sara, had called a domestic-violence detective just an hour before the shootings.

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      Myron’s wife Sara was out of the house at the time, as were three of their kids.

      ​The trouble began last Friday when 70-year-old Monty and his wife Susan drove up from Vancouver for the weekend. That afternoon, gunshots woke Myron’s 15-year-old daughter from a nap in an apartment in the family’s detached garage.

      When she got up, she saw her dad shoot her grandmother in the chest. He told her to come with him, and when they were walking into the house she saw the body of her grandfather lying in the driveway.

      Myron told his daughter that the shooting was her mother’s fault for not returning his texts and not allowing him to see his other daughter, her sister, when she’d been in the hospital the night before. He also blamed her grandparents, accusing them of "interfering" in his relationship with her mom.

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      Myron was mad at his in-laws for what he thought was their negative influence on his marriage.

      ​Myron then led his daughter up to the master bedroom where he tried to reach his wife on the phone. When he couldn’t get her, he told his daughter he was going to shoot himself, and that she should go lock herself in the basement.

      Negotiators on the scene eventually convinced Myron to let his daughter and a visiting family friend leave the house. For two-and-a-half hours, deputies talking with Myron heard him complain about how unhappy he was with the Sheriff’s department, but moreover how upset he was that his marriage was deteriorating, in part because of the influence of his in-laws.

      Around 10 p.m. deputies heard a muffled gunshot. When they entered the home they found the 49-year-old dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

      Pierce Co. Deputy’s teen daughter saw him shoot her grandmother in double-murder, suicide

      In domestic law on May 21, 2010 at 2:50 pm

      May 20, 2010 – One of the teens in the house at the time a Pierce County Sheriff shot and killed his mother-in-law and father-in-law, then shot and killed himself, witnessed her grandmother being killed.
      To avoid any conflict of interest, Tacoma Police are handling the investigation into the murders of Susan Multanen and Monty Multanen followed by the suicide of Deputy Allen Myron in their Gig Harbor home.
      According to Q13 FOX News, investigators said Thursday that Myron’s teen daughter awoke from a nap when she heard gunshots. She got up and saw her father shoot Multanen in the chest at close range and accuse her (Multanen) of interfering in his marriage.
      Myron, according to a police report, took his daughter outside where she saw her grandfather lying in the driveway. He told his daughter the shootings where her mother’s fault for not returning his phone calls and messages. He then ordered her inside and told her to lock herself in a room because he was going to commit suicide.
      Around the same time a family friend who was staying with the family came home. Myron ordered them both to lock themselves in the basement.
      Susan Multanen escaped the house and collapsed in her neighbor’s yard. She later died at Harborview Medical Center.
      The first deputy who arrived on the scent made contact with Allen Myron by phone and continued talking with him. Deputies convinced Myron to allow his daughter and the other male in the house to leave.
      Deputies negotiated with Myron for about two-and-a-half hours. During negotiations Myron talked about different things, including his unhappiness with the Pierce County Sheriff’s department. But his main focus was on how his marriage was deteriorating and how he believed his in-laws had negatively influenced his wife against him.
      Deputies who surrounded the house heard what sounded like a muffled gun shot. The Tacoma Police SWAT team entered the house and found Myron dead of apparent suicide by gunshot in a bedroom.
      Four weapons were located on or near Myron – a shotgun, a rifle, and two handguns.
      The investigation revealed Myron took steps to conceal the crime, including hiding his father-in-law’s body in the garage and hosing down the driveway where Monty Multanen had been.
      Sara Myron, Allen Myron’s wife, had contacted his immediate supervisor on Thursday to express concern about his behavior at the hospital earlier that evening. On Friday afternoon his lieutenant called Sara Myron to follow-up and put her in touch with a Pierce County Sheriff’s Department domestic violence detective who she made contact with at about 5:30 p.m. Friday evening.
      An appointment was set up for Monday. Sara Myron told Tacoma Police Department detectives he had never assaulted her, made threats to harm her or anyone else and that she did not feel he was dangerous.
      The double-murder suicide took place Friday evening just before 7 p.m.

      According to KOIN Local 6 News, Pierce County Sheriff’s Department spokesman, Ed Troyer, said Myron had been on medical light duty for a year and a half and had been cleared to come back to full work three months ago.
      Myron was reportedly an 11-year department veteran.

      The in-laws that Myron killed, 70-year-old Monty and his 68-year-old wife Sue, lived in Northeast Vancouver, Wash.

      Monty Multanen once worked as an official with the Oregon Department of Education.

      Tioga man killed his wife and then tried to run over two deputies while he had his 2-year-old son in his truck,

      In domestic law on May 21, 2010 at 2:44 pm

      Officers with the Rapides Parish Sheriff’s Office investigate at 1530 Hickory Hill Road in Tioga on Thursday morning. Rapides Parish Sheriff Chuck Wagner said Joseph Chehardy shot his wife, Janeva Chehardy, late Wednesday night at their Hickory Hill Road residence.

      Officers with the Rapides Parish Sheriff’s Office investigate at 1530 Hickory Hill Road in Tioga on Thursday morning. Rapides Parish Sheriff Chuck Wagner said Joseph Chehardy shot his wife, Janeva Chehardy, late Wednesday night at their Hickory Hill Road residence.

      HELP IS AVAILABLE

      If you or someone you know suffers from domestic violence, call the Turning Point Battered Women’s Program’s crisis line at 1-888-411-1333. For information about donating to or volunteering for Turning Point, call (318) 442-7196.

       

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      TIOGA — A Tioga man killed his wife and then tried to run over two deputies while he had his 2-year-old son in his truck, prompting the deputies to fire shots and wound the man, authorities reported.

      The slaying suspect, Joseph Anton Chehardy, 51, of 1530 Hickory Hill Road, Tioga, was arrested a short while later while seeking medical treatment for a gunshot wound.

      The deputies didn’t know Chehardy had a child in his truck when they fired shots at the truck as Chehardy tried to run them over Wednesday night, officials said.

      Rapides Parish Sheriff Chuck Wagner said the deputies acted properly under the circumstances and "did a great job."

      Chehardy has been charged with second-degree murder, two counts of attempted first-degree murder of a police officer, one count of child desertion and one count of possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.

      Chehardy shot and killed his wife, Janeva Lasyone Chehardy, 43, in their home Wednesday night, Wagner said.

      The slaying is the latest in a rash of domestic violence-related homicides in Rapides Parish.

      Around 8:45 p.m. Wednesday, the Sheriff’s Office received a call of a disturbance with shots being fired at the Hickory Hill Road residence. Two sheriff’s deputies arrived within three minutes of getting the call. The deputies parked their patrol cars a short distance from the home and were easing their way up when they saw a man — later identified as Chehardy — running out of the home, Wagner said.

      Deputies told the man to stop, but he refused to listen and got into a pickup truck. Chehardy then "raced the engine" and drove into the path of the two deputies, Wagner said. The deputies fired shots at the pickup truck as they were jumping out of the path. Several bullets hit the truck, with at least one going through the door and hitting Chehardy in the leg before he sped away.

      Wagner said the deputies went into the home where they found Janeva Chehardy dead from at least two gunshot wounds — one to the head and one to the groin. Officers found a child’s electronic toy still activated near where the woman was found but couldn’t find a child there.

      About 20 minutes after Chehardy fled the scene, deputies who were scouring the parish looking for him or the truck he fled in found Chehardy seeking medical treatment for the gunshot wound at Veterans Affairs Medical Center, Pineville.

      He was taken into custody and then taken to Huey P. Long Medical Center, Pineville, for treatment of the minor injury from the "flesh wound" he suffered from the gunshot.

      Wagner said deputies discovered the couple’s 2-year-old son at the VA Medical Center. The child was in the truck that was fired upon by officers as Chehardy was trying to run over them, authorities said. The boy was not injured, although Wagner said he seemed to be in shock because of the incident.

      Deputies found the truck, which Chehardy had attempted to hide behind the hospital.

      "We are still in the investigative process, but this appears to be a domestic argument that escalated into a shooting," Wagner said.

      Chehardy was described as having an "extensive record" of crimes, including charges of cruelty to children, injury to a child, possession of a controlled dangerous substance, carrying a prohibited weapon including switchblade and brass knuckles, deadly conduct, criminal mischief, theft of more than $1,500 and resisting an officer, Wagner said. The charges date back to 1977 and are out of Texas.

      The couple recently moved to the Tioga home from Texas. Sheriff’s officials said Janeva Chehardy’s family lives in the area, and she was from here.

      Wagner said the two deputies involved in shooting at the pickup truck were put on administrative leave with pay after the shooting, as is the department’s procedure. There is no investigation into their shooting as "we are very adamant they acted within their bounds," Wagner said. "They did a great job, and we are thankful that no one else gets hurt."

      The men were allowed to return to work Thursday. There will be no further investigation into their shooting, Wagner said.

      Domestic-Violence Deaths

      The Tioga slaying was the fourth domestic violence-related homicide in the past six months worked by the Rapides Parish Sheriff’s Office alone. In the past three months, Alexandria Police officers have handled two such homicides, and Avoyelles Parish law enforcement another.

      In November, a then-83-year-old man was arrested after he reportedly shot and killed his 81-year-old ex-wife in the Boyce area and then called police and family to tell them about the shooting.

      Richard Hargis of Colfax was charged in November with first-degree murder in connection with the case and then was charged in January with sexual battery. He reportedly assaulted a nurse in January while receiving treatment at Huey P. Long Medical Center. He remains in the custody of the Rapides Parish Jail where he’s been since his November arrest.

      On March 17, family members found the bodies of Bobby Ray Smith, 70, and his ex-wife Alvy Jean Smith, 65, in their Deville home. Both had been shot. Investigators have said that sometime after March 14, Bobby Smith shot Alvy Smith and then himself. There were reports of previous domestic violence between the two.

      On March 22, sheriff’s detectives were called to a Rapides Station home to investigate another murder-suicide. Investigators found the body of Thomas E. Evans, 28, of Rapides Station in a suitcase at his home. The body of Johnny C. Clark, also 28, was found in the driveway of the home near bushes.

      Officials said Evans and Clark were childhood friends and that the fight leading to the shooting may have started because Evans’ girlfriend didn’t want Clark to continue staying at their home. They suspect that Clark shot Evans and then stuffed Evans’ body into a suitcase. Clark shot himself as deputies arrived at the home to investigate a report of shots fired.

      Alexandria Police arrested an Alexandria man in February for an apparently domestic violence-related homicide in which his girlfriend was killed.

      The body of Chiquina Robinson, 31, was found Jan. 31 in a Dumpster on Lower Third Street. She apparently was beaten to death. Her boyfriend, 25-year-old Marcus McCray, was charged with second-degree murder and obstruction of justice in her death.

      Alexandria Police officers suspect Robinson was killed on Jan. 28 in her Walden Point Apartment on Twin Bridges Road in Alexandria. Authorities say McCray has confessed to killing her.

      Robinson’s death happened on the heels of a suspected domestic-violence murder in Avoyelles Parish. On Jan. 24, Avoyelles Parish law enforcement officials found the body of Amy Harris, 32, of Cottonport in a pasture in Marksville.

      Her longtime boyfriend, 39-year-old Terry Jerard Day, of 451 Delphine Alley, Cottonport, was arrested and charged with first-degree murder. Detectives in that case said Day and Harris reportedly had a "tumultuous relationship" and that officers were called to their home several times in the past for reports of violence or arguments.

      Before the Tioga slaying, the most recent domestic-violence death resulted from an argument between two brothers at their home on Highpoint Drive, Alexandria Police said.

      Nathan White, 27, was charged with manslaughter, accused of stabbing his brother, Josh White, 30, to death with a sword. Witnesses said both men had been drinking when they began arguing.

      Increase In
      Domestic Violence

      "We are seeing an increase in domestic violence right now," Wagner said. "I’m not sure what is going on, if it is the downturn in the economy or what. But it is something law enforcement deals with day to day."

      In April, the Sheriff’s Office served 49 temporary restraining orders, and so far this month there have been 30. Wagner said the department is doing what they can to deal with the issue, but said it is hard to be protective when it comes to domestic violence beyond education on the part of the officers and the community.

      "We are doing our best to make sure we handle the situation before it escalates," he said. "And there are several laws in place to address the issues."

      Wagner pointed out that there are laws that require anyone arrested with domestic violence see a judge before they bond out to be sure they have had ample opportunity to cool down and to give the partner a chance to get away if needed. Also, law enforcement officers are required by law to make an arrest if there is a sign of violence.

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      A Second March on Judge Lemkau ! May 26th!! Be There!

      In : PAAO, Parent Alienation, Parental Alienation and Hostile Aggressive Parenting Awareness Day, Parental Alienation Awareness Day, Parental Alienation Awareness Organization, Abusers Denier, Angry fathers, Battered Mothers Custody Conference, Breaking The Silence; Children's Stories, child abuse, Child Custody, Childrens Rights, family court corruption, father shot Baby Wyatt to death., Fathers & Families, Glenn Sacks, ACFC, RADAR, ANCPR, fathers murdering, Fathers Rights, Judge Robert Lemkau Katie Tagle Wyatt Garcia Stephen Garcia Victorville CA., Katie Tagle, Dr. Phill, Steven Garcia, Pinnion Hills, CA,, Lemkau ordered her to turn Baby Wyatt over to his fathe, Maternal Deprivation, Domestic Violence By Proxy, Mothers Rights, Murder-Suicide, Parental Alienation (PAS), Parental Alienation (PAS), Parental Alienation (PAS), Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS), PAS is a Scam, San Bernardino, Judge Lemkau, Elect James Hosking, Comm, To Elect James Hosking Superior Court Judge 2010 P.O. B on May 20, 2010 at 6:03 pm

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